Monday, February 27, 2006

Slain Egyptian Copt George Shahata Remembered in Poland

Gateway Pundit is reporting today about the Polish Foundation of St. Benedictus' ad campaign this week. It is introducing its "Martyrs of our Time". Those martyres are victim christians who died at th hands of fundamental Muslims.
Posters like this the one above for Slain Egyptian Copt George Shahata (Shehata) will be placed in public transportation vehicles in Poland for the campaign.

It is heart breaking to see an Egyptian Copt being included in such a campaign, not that he should not be, but the Egyptian government cannot come to the conclusion that if they do not straighten their values out, the world will step in to force straightening these values out for them. Currently, Egyptian Copts are not enjoying full citizenship as their Muslim peers. In fact, the lack of values like justice, equality and full citizenship led to grave consequences. The lack of the Copts' rights led to deterioration of their social rights as well which resulted in problems that mount to social co-existence in communities.

Today, Poland will have posters for George Shahata (Shehata) everywhere through this campaign. Poles will learn about the persecution of Copts in Egypt. The poster of Shahata will tell his story in Europe. And it will not only tell the story of this young innocent boy but the story of an entire country (Egypt) that failed to guarantee the rights of some Egyptians by bringing equality between Muslims and Copts.

From Gateway Pundit's Blog, according to Eurojihad.Org: “This is an action that was conducted in one of the major Polish cities - Poznan. The action was started by the Foundation of St. Benedictus and was approved by local government. The Foundation's director is Zbigniew Czerwinski who is also member of PiS and president of the Regional Council.

PiS is now also the ruling party in Poland. PiS means in Polish "Law and Justice". It's a right-wing conservative party. Also, Polish President Lech Kaczynski is from PiS. Action was started in Poznan with posters of people killed by Muslim Fundamentalists.

These posters are being placed in vehicles of local communication service. This action in the next few weeks will also take place in other Polish cities, including the Polish Capital of Warsaw.”

Check more posters and the full story at Gateway Pundit.

Previously on Egyptian Copts:
Disturbing News from Alexandria, Egypt
Egyptian church clash injures 12


At 12:15 AM, Blogger Egypeter said...

Thanks for Posting FFE. I only wish that the memory of this poor child who was murdered could be commemorated in Egypt instead of Poland. I wish the government would take measures to protect these people and for more Egyptians to adopt tolerance.

Thank you Poland for giving a damn.

At 3:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very sad and pitiful indeed...

On a related note - this recent Washington Post article highlights other aspects of Egyptian popular / governmental intolerance...

At 10:17 AM, Blogger Superluli said...

I do understand that being christian in Egypt is not easy, people always think i am christian so my experience is first hand.

I feel in your last entry it comes off stronger than it acctually is.
Things are not good, but they are notas bad as you pictured it.

Can you back up your Hypothesis
"Currently, Egyptian Copts are not enjoying full citizenship as their Muslim peers" with some examples?
Maybe then we could discuss things further because i do not think it's a black and white issue like you portraid it.

At 12:09 PM, Blogger Egypeter said...

supurluli -

Maybe I can shed a little light on the request you made. From your post it sounds like you may live in Egypt. You said that the situation is bad but not as bad as FFE may have put it. Well, I'm here to tell you that it's WORSE.
For some strange reason it seems that non-christians in Egypt have the false impression that, although the situation may not be perfect, Christians and Muslims live together mostly in peace and harmony. Unfortunately, I promise you, that is simply not the case.
Copts say the problem is bad and getting worse while many Muslims say that there is no problem and that the Copts are exagerrating....hmmm, who to believe? The oppressor says there's no problem and the oppressed says that there is. Does that not raise a HUGE RED FLAG on what the situation really is, well it should.
All the rhetoric that comes from Egypt says that the situation is under control. I am sure the reason for this is that they are afraid of tarnishing Egypt's "good name" by saying that this is a problem on Egyptian soil, so they simply deny it. But if you want the facts you simply need to get it straight from the horse's mouth.

Are these same people, that say there aren't any religious freedom problems in Egypt, aware of the mob riots that attacked Christian churches, homes and businesses in Alexandria and Luxor...two incidents in the last 5 months?

Are they aware of Coptic girls being abducted and forced to convert to Islam?

These things don't happen in a country where Muslims and Christians live together in harmony...sorry.

You asked for documented proof of problems. Let me refer you to Watani Nespaper. The only Coptic Newspaper in the country. There you can find all the problems regarding citizinship rights that FFE mentioned in her post.

Hope that helps.

At 1:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it so bad? superluli, a boy was beaten to death and his murderers are going to get off scot-free. It is so bad.

At 2:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope that people will be brave enough to be self-restropective and self-critical and not become emotionally blinded by 'patriotism'. There is a very serious problem.

At 8:20 PM, Blogger Egypeter said...

Here's an article to anyone who may be misinformed and think that there aren't any serious serious problems in Egypt.

At 11:38 PM, Blogger Bent El Neel said...

FFE: Thanx for posting and honoring his memory.

I just visited your blog and you seem like a cool, loving girl. Thing is Luli, it is sad that people like you either don't know what goes on, or choose to ignore what goes on. What Christians suffer in Egypt is a reality and not an invention of a handful of Copts. You seem like a good person, and I'm sure you are. PLease seek the truth and don't dismiss it.

At 7:08 AM, Blogger Superluli said...

Please Note the following everyone who started attacking for no apparent reason.

I wrote "I feel in your last entry it comes off stronger than it acctually is.
Things are not good, but they are notas bad as you pictured it."

Please notice i used a vague term " not good" ! not good could mean bad, super bad, horrible, horrific, catastrophical and more.

Now none of you acctually asked what i think!
you just raced around in passing judgement (thank you bent el neel)

I felt from her post that Muslims here are going around killing every christian in sight, it gave me visions of a genocide going on in the country.
Please focus on the word FELT

she could easily mean it differently - i could have easily misunderstood - maybe i was in a bad mood so i saw everything pessimisticly
The operative word again is I FELT!

what did i do? I opened the topic for dicsussion, FFE can point out her examples (which egypter failed to present clearly, but then again his comment wasn't really aimed at presenting examples and arguments, it was basically descibing what is happening without any deep analysis and showing that he is right) and we can discuss it and IN THAT CASE, i will start presenting my views.
Maybe at the end me and her are on the same page and share the same views, despite of my "feeling" that her blog entry was a little too negative.

Also note, i did not rush to explain where i stand - so i can enter this discussion with an open mind.

Now bent el neel - if that is not seeking the truth for you, then i suggest you brush up on your english :) and i also suggest that you practice what you preach before making pre-mature judgements that probably don't do justice to your mind and personality.

It's strange how none of you were willing to participate in actually discussing it like civilized adults!

At 12:37 PM, Blogger Egypeter said...

Hey Super -

Listen, I apologize if you took my post the wrong way. It's often difficult to express yourself properly through the keybodard, ya know? I checked out your blog and you seem like a bright and nice girl. Although, I've never lived in Egypt we are fellow Alexandrians. My parents are from Cleopatra. Anyway, I read your conversation with Sandmonkey about reform and the old regimes that ruled Egypt with an iron fist. Too bad every single one of them stunk.

At least you acknowledged that the situation for Christians in Egypt is "not good." The reason I got annoyed was because of how many times I hear that their are no problems between Copts and Muslims and that the incidents that happen are conducted by a "few" extremists or are very "isolated incidents." These people that say this are usually government or high ranking officials so this is what the media prints for all of Egypt to read. Do you think State-owned Al Ahram is going to document the plight of the Copts at the expense of the Islamists that Muburak is constantly pandering to? These same Islamists/Ikhwan (MB) are the ones that are running around and causing all of the problems. So the truth on the ground and the reality are very different from what ordinary people seem to think. I think a few stories that I have been following lately illustrate my point. Even though I don't live in Egypt, I am fully aware of the two riots that took place recently in Moharam Bey and Ul-Udesayat. The story of that girl who was abducted and is being forced to convert to Islam. What is that? This is so incredibly sick and twisted and it amazes me that it seems the SSI, or Gestapo, is complicit in all of it. That obviously explains why these crimes go unpunished and continue to happen. These situations are not indicative of a civil society where people treat each other with respect regardless of religion.
I don't know, I'm not sure if you have any Christian friends but ask them. What do they say? Do they feel that there are no problems or some slight ones or do they feel like it's really tough and getting worse? Dialogue, like you say, is the most important thing between people and I whole-heartedly agree. Hope that better explains things.

At 3:12 PM, Blogger DavidNic said...

I think that situations like this, a group being attacked for their faith in such a deadly manner, are hard to talk about sometimes.

Emotions run high right off the bat. I for one would like to know more about what you said:

"I do understand that being Christian in Egypt is not easy, people always think i am Christian so my experience is first hand."

What kind of experiences? There are situations of high violence where people die, such as the tragic event with George Shahata.

But there are also daily discriminations and the way people are treated person to person. Is the second type what you have personally experienced? Becuase it is just as important to know about those as well.

I think that maybe the line from FFE:

"Currently, Egyptian Copts are not enjoying full citizenship as their Muslim peers"

I took that to mean, and I could be wrong:

Copts are not allowed to build Churches the same way other citizens can.

Religious identification on ID cards make equal employment in the job market non existent for Copts.

But these kind of things. I would say that the list here:

gives 19 pretty good points and are written by people more knowledgeable about the situation than I am.

But there is to be a citizen on paper and to be treated like a citizen.

Again, this is a high tension topic. Sometimes good people end up yelling at good people.

At 10:55 AM, Blogger Superluli said...

" I read your conversation with Sandmonkey about reform and the old regimes that ruled Egypt with an iron fist. Too bad every single one of them stunk. "
every single conversation stunk?or every reform? hah

i agree that things here are not good for christians. My group of best freinds are 2 copts one catholic and one armenian, and me the only muslim! Over my life i have had other friends, who were also christian - i never had a problem, i think if you are muslim, then you automatically are christian and a jew too. (but that's a whole new discussion)
Apparently in egypt my looks let people perceive me as christian.

here are some of my experiences which lead me to think that things are not fair, but not bruital. maybe you can elaborate on some bruital experiences so we can determine the level of severety!

1) My first experience as a 13 year old, i was wearing the key of life - a pharaonic symbol that looks like a cross. I was walking down the road and two young guys in their 20ies called out "roohi enty wel 2asees beta3ek" (go away you and your priest)
I was young and i was in a christian school - i thought life was rosy, my friends were christian, my family taught me that there's no difference. And that was my first shock!
Nothing violent.

2) I have experienced taxi drivers who never stop, if i am asking to go to ramsis for example, and a veiled woman is standing two meters after me also wanting to go to ramisis, a taxi would tell me no but would stop and pick up the veiled one.
My chirstian friends experienced that, they get into a taxi, the taxi looks at them, sees a cross, stops and tells them to get out and he will not drive them. That happened a few times to more than one girl.

3)I have chrstian friends who hire a chirstian maid, a christian driver and a chirstian door man, I have muslim friends who do the same. I have christian friends who have muslim drivers and vice versa!
there are companies who hire only christians like off the top of my mind coz i just dealt with them ghabbour and thomas cook and companies that hire muslims only (i can't remember any example now, but there are many)

4) I studied at two univeristies, a private one and the unveristy of alexandria. in the univeristy of alex, i took private courses, before the exams with a group of 15 people. they NEVER talked to me. NEVER helped me out and completely ignored me, and i was trying my hardest to be nice, and to fit in despite of the difference in social class and education.
in the second year they got into an argument about religions, and i stepped it and it was clear that i was muslim. since then, they completely transformed! they were sooo nice suddelny. i was puzzled, until i realized that this was the point where they realized i am not christian. i do not believe in manifeastation of religion which is why i never wear anything that would make it obvious what religion i am.
Since then i made a point of wearing some 'masha2allah" every once and a while so they see it. i started saying "el salamu 3aleiko"
instead of good morning. and that did it! they called me when i didn't show up, and gave me their notes!

me and my mom are not veiled and apparently we do not "look" muslim. there are so many times we feel discriminated against because of that facts, in lines in a government agengy (unless the employee is christian, then we have priority!)
My mom was mugged a few months ago in broad day light, and there were a few men standing 10 meters away from her, men with beards. they saw her.
Had she been veiled, would things be different? would they have at least helped her off the ground?! i wonder!

so i agree things suck!
But there's a a line between unfair & uncivilized and between dangerous and bruital.

FFE prortraid it at the latter. i am not sure it is THAT severe.
That is my argument.
Feel free to prove me wrong!

At 11:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't see the point of having this campaign in Poland? How is that going to help the situation of Copts in Egypt?

At 12:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


In a globalised world where information is power campaigns in any part of the world both contribute, engage and count...

At 6:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

قراقوش يمنع تعاطي الجبنة الدنماركية في مصر ويحبس مواطناً تعاطى الجبنة الدنماركية سراً

اسم الكاتب: جاك عطالله

فى عودة مظفرة من قراقوش العاشر الى عصرجده الاعظم قراقوش الاول حاكم مصر الذى منع المصريين من اكل الملوخية ومنع السيدات من الخروج من منازلهن وصرح لهن بالخروج فقط اذا خرجن حافيات فى شوارع ترابية مليئة بالزجاج المكسور و بالقمامة و البراز والذباب
قام قراقوش العاشر حفيد قراقوش الاول اخيرا بغزوة عنترية ضد الدنيمارك واصدر قرارا قراقوشيا جديدا بمنع اكل الجبنة الدنيماركية عقابا يبابا للدنيمركيين جميعا لسماحهم لاحد عناتيلهم بنشر رسوم كاريكاتيرية لم يكتب على احدها اسم الرسول ولا اشار له بالاسم من قريب ولا من بعيد

ولكن قراقوش بمنطق اللى على رأسه بطحة حسس على الكاريكاتير و جند سفيرته الفاشلة والتى طردت بعدها منى عمر لأثارة مسلمى الدنيمارك الخونة الذين حسسوا ايضا على بطحة رأس قراقوش وتوجههوا بعد قبض المعلوم من السفيرة بتذاكر مدفوعة الاجر واقامة كاملة للقاهرة حيث اجتمعوا مع كل من على رأسة بطحة بالقاهرة من شيخ الازهر والمفتى ورئيس جامعة الازهر و رؤساء قنوات التليفزيون و رؤساء تحرير الصحف وخرجت زفه مبطوحى الرءوس من جامعة الازهر فى مظاهرات صاخبة تندد بالدنيمارك والجبنة الدنيماركية
وعلى اثر سخونة البطحات الرأسية صدر القرار القراقوشى السامى بمنع تعاطى الجبن الدنيماركى وضمها لجدول المخدرات ومعاملتها معاملة الافيون والهروين والبانجو والماكستون فورت وابلاغ الامر فورا لوزارة العسس و للموانى والمطارات وامن المنازل والشوارع

وضمانا لرضا مبطوحى الراس من اخوان وغلمان قام جهاز امن الاسلام بقيادة العساس الاكبر بحملة ارهابية لضبط كل من تسول له نفسه الامارة بالسوء تعاطى الجبنة الدنماركية

و فى اول يوم تم ضبط المواطن المصرى مدمن الجبن مخلص ثروت يتعاطى الجبن الدنيماركى داخل منزله تحت السرير ومعه عدة التعاطى كاملة من عيش بلدى و مخلل وبصل اخضر
وقد تمت الاجراءات اللازمة والمعتادة فى مثل هذه الحالات الحرجة بالترحيب بالمواطن من نفخ المواطن من فتحة الاست لمقاس 36 وضبط كهربه جسمه على 9 بمقياس ريختر اوم وتهوية اعضائه الداخلية بفردها بالشمس لتعقيم المواطن
واستخرجت الجبنة من امعائة وارسلت لمعمل الامن العام الذى اثبت انها والعياذ بالله جبنة كافرة من دولة الدنيمارك اللعينة --

ومازال المواطن محتجزا منذ 15 يوما لدى مصلحة الامن العام بمصر
وينتظر ارسال اوراقه للمفتى ليصدق على اعدامه--

هذه ليست قصة خيالية وانما للأسف حقيقية تماما
حدثت وقائعها القراقوشية
فى مصر المحروسة منذ 15 يوما حيث ابلغ عن المواطن مدمن الجبنة الدنيماركى القبطى جاره المسلم انتصارا للدين والرسول وطاعة وتقرب لقراقوش
ومصدر القصة لمن يريد هو الرابط التا لى
ولنبكى مع الشاعر الذى مدح قراقوش قائلا
كم بمصر من المضحكات--ولكنه ضحك كالبكاء
والى اللقاء بقرار قراقوشى قادم
شايفينك ياقراقوش


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