Thursday, November 02, 2006

Father Gets 10 Years in Jail in the US for Genital Mutilation

"A man has been sentenced to 10 years in jail for the genital mutilation of his two-year-old daughter, in what is said to be first such case in the US.

A US women's rights group described the verdict as a victory against female genital mutilation worldwide.

Prosecutors said he used scissors to remove his daughter's clitoris in 2001.

Equality Now, a US women's rights group, said it was the first recorded case of female genital mutilation in the country." More from the BBC....

In Egypt, thousands of girls are having their genitals mutilated every year and no one is held responsible for this abhorrent crime!! FGM is one of the most rampant problems in Egypt. Not one single direct legislation was stipulated to punish those responsible those crimes against innocent little girls. A crime described as irreversibe against any woman!

I recommend that you read this wonderful post about a "case of an Egyptian female genital mutilation" by Mostafa Hussein. He wrote about a true story about a 10 year old girl who was admitted with post-circumcision bleeding in the hospital where he works! It is a must read blog post.


At 3:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Send a strong message: if this barbaric practice is exercised in the US, those who commit this atrocity will get a lot of time to think about it behind bars.

What does the US import from these backward countries anyway, besides oil, terrorism, and a backward culture?

At 6:28 PM, Blogger Charles N. Steele said...

Anonymous: Part of your comment is correct. FGM is crime, committed by individuals, and needs to be treated as such.

BUT...Ethiopia doesn't send the U.S. oil, nor terrorism.

Ethiopia's culture is much more than FGM (I am not even sure FGM is truly a part of it). Ethiopians built a civilization before Europeans did, and even have a Judeo-Christian heritage.

If instead you are talking about Muslim culture -- well, what the Europeans and hence Americans imported from the includes Aristotle, the modern (Arabic) numerical system, algebra, glass, paper and printing, and a number of other things.

It's no more correct to say that all these "backward countries" export is "oil, rerrorism, and backward culture" than it is to say that all the west offers in return is airstrikes, military occupations, extraordinary renditions, and the like.

At 9:01 PM, Blogger Freedom for Egyptians said...

This is an African habit that was Islamized to further inhibit women sexually, knowing how women's chastity is the only reason why man is a man!!

At 7:41 AM, Anonymous John from Washington said...

Well thats untrue FFE.

This practice is most prevelent amongst coptic christian communities. Where many preists refuse to baptize girls who have not under gone the procedure.

At 7:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was wondering what is your take on these following verses FFE? I am Jewish and as of late I have been considering converting to Christianty. I was wondering what was your take on these verses?

"No wickedness comes anywhere near the wickedness of a woman.....Sin began with a woman and thanks to her we all must die." (Ecclesiasticus 25:19, 24)

"The birth of a daughter is a loss." (Sirach 22:3)

At 8:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh yes FFE I was also wonder about the meaning of this verse. Sorry to burden you, I have many question

11. A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.

12.I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
Timothy 2:11-12


At 9:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The first verse you cited refers to original sin. Prior to the fall- When satan convinced Eve to eat the fruit from the forbidden tree- man was one with God. There was so sin. This act of disobeying God's command not to eat from this tree was the first. According to scripture, death was the punishment for the mankind (starting with Eve) turning to satan.

The second verse is not from the bible. There is no book called Sirach.

Many bible verses must be placed in context of the time and circumstances (same with the reading of the Koran). The 3rd and 4th verses were from Paul, who was traveling and spreading christianity. When he wrote those, he was in a city where there was chaos in the churches. The women were illiterate. Women did not know the bible, and were making noise and chatting in church. Notice that in I Corinthians, women are not the only people Paul tells to be “silent.” He uses the same word in verses 28 and 30 to tell tongue-speakers and prophets to be silent when others speak. In both of those verses, he is calling for a temporary silence, not a complete and permanent prohibition.

Paul's letters must be read in context. They were written to a specific audience in a specific city where Paul traveled to. When these verses were written, women were illiterate and scripturally ignorant- they could not teach what they did not know! The broad principles are timeless, but almost no christians take these verses literally, one by one, because they must be understood within the context in which these letters were written.

Hope this helps. And tell me where you found the 2nd verse because the book name is not fromt he bible.

At 9:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry FFE, i wanted to respond to the last post. Regarding the article, 10 years for one man is not enough! This procedure is child abuse and torture. I think he should have received 25.

Let us hope this is not a single instance of prosecution, but a trend that continues and spreads outside of the united States.

You know, I have heard that many of the Islamic and African countries where FMG is common have laws on the books against it, which were probably placed there to appease the west. These laws are never enforced though. The key to getting rid of this horrific act is to enforce those laws and make it a cultural stigma to do such a thing.

At 11:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That anonymous claiming to be Jewish is a muslim blog troll named "LibyanWarrior" - he just posted the same nonsense Highlander's blog. Don't worry about him, he's got mental health issues :)


If instead you are talking about Muslim culture -- well, what the Europeans and hence Americans imported from the includes Aristotle, the modern (Arabic) numerical system, algebra, glass, paper and printing, and a number of other things.

Aristotle was a Greek philosopher of the 4th century BC, predating Islam by roughly 1000 years.

Arabic numeral system is unimportant, as it's just a numeric character set. Any other set would have worked as well... what's important is the decimal system. But, just so you know, "arabic" numerals actually came from India.

Your comment about algebra is correct.

Man made glass objects are at least 3500 years old, predating Islam by some 4000+ years.

Modern paper was invented in China some 2000 years ago. Perhaps you mean Papyrus which was invented in Egypt at least 4000 years ago.

Printing seems to have been invented in Korea, but some Europeans claim it was invented in Europe. Can't find any correlation to Africa or the middle east at all.

So... that's 1 out of 6, not bad :)

What point was it you wree trying to make anyway? I may agree with your point, even though I disagree with your proofs.

At 1:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

have you seen this? An interesting article in the Washington Post from October 31 on the debate over the niqab in Egypt:

At 1:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't seem to copy and paste the entire link in these comments. If you are interested, go to and search for the article, titled "Fierce Debate Over Veils in Egypt"

At 3:10 PM, Blogger Egypeter said...

John from Washington - are you 'Libyan Warrior' too? Cuz your facts are wrong. Or maybe you're just full of shit because you are spreading LIES.

FGM is historically an Islamic practice and is practiced in much of the Islamic world not Christian world. Can you reference ONE story about a Coptic priest that refused to baptize a female child who has not undergone this procedure??? Like I said, I think you're full of shit. Because I think the two priests in MY church would find that pretty laughable.

At 8:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

FGM is historically an Islamic practice and is practiced in much of the Islamic world not Christian world

Its historically a Egyptian/Sudanic practice. Which pre-dates Judism. But in anycase, just google it, it occurs mostly amongst coptic/sudanic christians. As far as the Christian world, their isnt one, last time I checked the west was a secular set of states. Who adheard to no faith.

Anon :) your explanations of the bible are even more laughable then the Muslims explanation of the Koran. When will you silly people stop beliveing the genocidal laws and ideas of these savage prophets, and just admit how evil they are.

At 8:10 PM, Anonymous Muhammad Blair said...

Egypeter said...

John from Washington - are you 'Libyan Warrior' too? Cuz your facts are wrong. Or maybe you're just full of shit because you are spreading LIES.

No, he is NOT spreading lies. You think your Copt race is so good? Allah(SWT) destroyed your Copt race by reducing you to a minority in Egypt for your past crimes. Copt race tormented the Islamic Prophet Moses(PBUH) when the Pharoah ordered Arab babies to be thrown in the sea. Allah(SWT) freed the Arabs from Copt slavery and led them to cross the Red Sea. Moses(PBUH) was not Jew, nor Copt but an Arab according to Quran and Hadith.

I call for the expulsion of Copt race from Egypt if they refuse to assimilate into Arab culture and become Arabs racially. Every human should love Arabic as the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) said "An ethnic Arab is not by birth nor by ancestry but by tongue. Whoever speaks Arabic is an ethnic Arab"

FGM is historically an Islamic practice and is practiced in much of the Islamic world not Christian world.

The pagan Copts used to mutilate genitals of women and this practise survives in among modern Copt race. Some irreligious Muslims who are influenced by Copt culture also do this abominatian but REAL Muslims who renounce their Coptic past and embrace Arabism treat women with respect.

Can you reference ONE story about a Coptic priest that refused to baptize a female child who has not undergone this procedure??? Like I said, I think you're full of shit. Because I think the two priests in MY church would find that pretty laughable.

How about this web site?

Tell me, why Copts continue to worship in Coptic, a dead language and refuse to submit to the will of Allah(SWT)? He(SWT) made Coptic was made dead because of the evils of the Coptic "civilisation", which is hardly civilised but animals.

I am a White man who holds French nationality but I have embraced Islam and consider myself an Arab. We, the Muslims of the West welcome the European Union (EU) project to unite the White man but we need to have a common language, Arabic.

Then, EU will fight US in World War 3 and when the Jews who control US of A are defeated, we will proclaim Arabic the national of the Americans.

The 4 races of humanity, White, Black, Brown and Yellow will be united under one language, Arabic and one religion Islam.

At 10:17 PM, Blogger Egypeter said...

Mohammed Blair YOU ARE FUCKIN' NUTS!!!

I hope you rot in hell you dirtbag!

At 11:20 PM, Blogger Egypeter said...

Mohammed 'Blair' -

By your words you've identified youself as a straight up Muslim Fundementalist, enlighten yourself and open up your mind. Simply read. And I'm not talking about your Hate Books. You sound like that fellow Azzaam el-Amreeki, a.k.a. Adam Gadan, who has joined the ranks of Al Qaada. You disguest me. As far as your comments about the Copts try reading this.

So your genocidal dreams will probably go unfulfiled, although that one poor girl seems to see your violent ideology coming.

I just finished watching Fox's special documentary "Obssession: Radical Islam's War Against the West" right after I read your last post and kept thinking about you.,2933,227393,00.html

I sadly pity you and your existance on this planet.

At 6:04 PM, Blogger halalhippie said...

yay! throw'way the friggin' key!

Lately in DK a whole family of Pakistani origin was sentenced to life imprisonment for "homour" killing of a daughter who married an Afghan against their will.

Let's tolerate each other's beliefs, and judge each other's actions under law.

At 6:05 PM, Blogger halalhippie said...

make that "honour" killing, or rather"honourless" killing.

At 9:36 PM, Anonymous Muhammad Blair said...

Hello Egypeter!

Islam is the final revelation of mankind. Allah Subhana Wa Taala wanted to unite all humans with one common language, Arabic. This will enable humans to communicate better and decide freely to accept Islam or not.

Copts are Arab Christians and should support us Muslims, as Prophet Muhammad(SAW) said "An ethnic Arab is not by birth nor by ancestry but by tongue. Any person who speaks Arabic is an Arab".

Arab Christians must NOT try to revive Coptic language or Syriac language in the same way the Jews revived Hebrew language. This is considered Islamophobia and Anti-Arab.

In the book of God, Quran, Jews are called troublemakers but Christians are called friends. Israel is an illegal state as it prevents Pan-Arab unity to establish the Islamic Caliphate.

Arab Christians who immigrate to America should work with Muslims to revive the glory of the Islamic Caliphate.

A very good Arab Christian man is Edward Said, who denounced Coptic nationalism and Assyrian nationalism as Zionist conspiracy to divide Muslim and Christians alike.

At 11:26 AM, Blogger Egypeter said...

What part of "You are fuckin' nuts" did you not understand blair, you radical freak??

Which part exactly?

Like me, and all other Copts, you're not even an Arab you idiot?? LOL! And I couldn't give a shit what your Qur'ran says about Arabic and people speaking Arabic being Arab.

Do us all a favor and go spew your racist garbage elsewhere. Reading your responses makes me wanna shit on your face. And besides, I've heard it ALL before. I highly doubt FFE or anyone else on this blog agrees with your CRAZY shit.

Its people like you who shame the religion you claim you follow. Are you aware of that?

Or did you convert because you got your ass kicked when you were in school and NOW you want to be the bully?

I highly recommend you go join your brothers on the frontlines in Iraq as quickly as possible. I'd be more than happy to buy your ticket if you simply give me your address...

At 12:18 PM, Blogger Egypeter said...

Obsession Analyses by Melanie Phillips

I have just viewed the film ‘Obsession’, the documentary about radical Islam’s war on the west, which was also shown on Fox News in the US at the weekend and which you can read about on this website. It should be made compulsory viewing for every politician and pundit who clings to the misguided belief that all we face is terrorism rooted in various grievances around the world.

It is the single most powerful and terrifying public exposition of the fact that a global Islamic jihad is now being waged from Bali to Istanbul, from Chechnya to Madrid, from Morocco to Manhattan, from Thailand to Bloomsbury – and that the world that is under attack is deeply in denial about what it is facing.

More than that, this film shows in graphic and undeniable detail that this jihad is a direct descendant of Nazism. It has clear historical links – it was to the Nazi-supporting Mufti of Jerusalem in 1941 that Hitler vouchsafed that he intended first and foremost a war of extermination against world Jewry; it has the same agenda of genocide of the Jews and world domination, and the same techniques (and almost identical motifs and visual imagery) of whipping up a frenzy of murderous rage against America and the Jews through repeated hysterical claims of their purported and infernal intention to destroy the Islamic world, conveyed through truly diabolical imagery straight out of the infernal handbooks of medieval and Nazi blood-lust.

Some of the footage in this film leaves you speechless. The Shatat series on al Manar TV, for example, transmitted into millions of Muslim homes around the world, which purports to show a Jew kidnapping a Christian child and slitting his throat in order to use the blood to make Passover matzahs.

This of course was the medieval blood libel against the Jews which caused unspeakable savagery to be meted out against them on the basis of a monstrous lie; and here is this same abominable lie, animated for TV and thus doubtless convincing millions of Muslims of the diabolical nature of the Jews. Just as horrifying are the children seen being indoctrinated to hate Jews and Americans, to kill them and to die.

A three year old girl, asked why she doesn’t like the Jews, answers ‘because they are apes and pigs’ (a common depiction) as was said by ‘our God in the Koran’. The images of these young children, with their sweet and innocent faces, being programmed to hate and to kill are unspeakable. As a former member of the Hitler Youth observes, the techniques and iconography are identical to those used by the Nazis — because they were learned from the Nazis.

The similarities to the Nazis are indeed overwhelming. The screaming demagogues, the wholesale indoctrination of children into the cult of hatred and death, the repeated use of diabolical propaganda, the aims of genocide and global domination – and the fact that although such aims are constantly reiterated, although the deeds that follow plumb unimaginable depths of barbarity, although the lies are as transparent as they are systematic, the watching world still refuses to acknowledge that this is indeed a global war that is being waged.

Just as in the thirties, it takes refuge in fantasies and excuses and refuses to act; worse than in the thirties, it elevates Islamic fascists to downtrodden martyrs and heroes. There are Muslims in this film who speak the truth plainly and unmistakably: the Palestinian correspondent for the Jerusalem Post Khaled abu Toameh, who says that the Islamic world has hijacked his religion and has declared holy war upon the west in order to destroy its civilisation and Christianity; or Nonie Darwish, born and brought up in Gaza, who relates how as a child she was taught jihad, to wage holy war and conquer the world for Islam, and how her classmates would cry with the emotion of declaring themselves ready to die as martyrs for the cause.

And Nonie Darwish is a middle-aged woman. The widespread belief in the west that jihadism, suicide bombers and the rest of it are merely responses to recent actions by Israel or America, or to ‘oppression’ by Israeli occupiers, is demonstrably ridiculous.

This is a film about fanaticism. It does not make easy viewing. It destroys the fiction that Islamic terror is the product of ‘grievances’ about specific conflicts. It demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is instead the product of fanatical, hysterical, paranoid, medieval hatred, bigotry and power-mania. What it shows above all is that we are up against an ideology which turns millions towards madness and savagery – but we are totally failing to combat that ideology. Indeed, we don’t even recognise it for what it is. This film goes a long way towards opening our eyes.


It's too bad YOU chose the wrong side 'Mohammed Blair'!

At 12:23 PM, Blogger Egypeter said...

Oh, and one more thing.

FFE - Have you heard about the "Free Kareem" campaign? Silly Egyptian authorities have thrown him in jail for the absurd crime of "defaming President Muburak and Egypt."

Gotta love those ridiculous laws...

Anyway, I encourage everyone (even you blair) to go sign the petition.

At 3:44 PM, Blogger Sam said...

Dear F.F.E..
Sorry to change the Topic :
=============إيلاف >> سياسة

اعتقال شاب مصري لانتقاده الازهر
GMT 20:15:00 2006 الثلائاء 7 نوفمبر
أ. ف. ب.


القاهرة: القت الشرطة المصرية القبض على شاب انتقد على مدونته على الانترنت الازهر، حسبما افاد مسؤول امني بعد يوم من ادراج منظمة "مراسلون بلا حدود" مصر من بين 13 دولة "معادية للانترنت". وقال المسؤول الذي طلب عدم الكشف عن هويته ان عبد الكريم نبيل سليمان (22 عاما) اعتقل امس الاثنين في مدينة الاسكندرية بعد ان استدعاه جهاز امن الدولة للتحقيق معه.

وانتقد سليمان على مدونته في 28 تشرين الاول/اكتوبر جامعة الازهر، اعلى مؤسسة دينية سنية تعليمية في المنطقة، التي قامت بفصله مطلع هذا العام. وقال انه طرد من الازهر بسبب كتابته على الانترنت.

وكان سليمان قد اعتقل في تشرين الاول/اكتوبر 2005 بعد ان انتقد رد فعل المسلمين على مسرحية للمسيحيين الاقباط اثارت اشتباكات عنيفة بعد ان اعتبرها بعض المسلمين مسيئة للدين. وجاء الاعتقال في نفس اليوم الذي نشرت فيه منظمة "صحافيون بلا حدود" التي مقرها فرنسا قائمة باسم 13 دولة جديدة وصفتها بانها "معادية للانترنت".

وكانت مصر من بين الدول الجديدة المدرجة على القائمة الى جانب ميانمار وبيلاروسيا وايران وكوريا الشمالية. وقالت المنظمة ان "العديد من اصحاب المدونات تعرضوا للمضايقات والسجن هذا العام في مصر، ولذلك فقد تمت اضافتها الى قائمة العار التي تضم الدول التي تنتهك حرية التعبير على الانترنت بشكل منهجي". واضافت ان "الرئيس المصري حسني مبارك، الذي يتولى السلطة منذ عام 1981، يظهر قدرا كبيرا من السلطوية المقلقة فيما يتعلق بالانترنت".


At 11:24 PM, Blogger Charles N. Steele said...

Programmer -- you are wrong about me missing 5 of 6 claims.

I'll get to that in a minute, but my overall point is that Anonymous is wrong that what the U.S. has received from "these countries" is a "backwards culture." The U.S., and the Western world in general, has received quite a lot from the Muslim world.

1. All of the west's versions of Aristotle and numerous other Greek writers came from Arabic translations preserved in the Muslim world. For example, when the Muslims were driven from Toledo Spain in 1085, medieval scholastics flocked there to get their hands on Greek texts.

2. The Arabic numeral system is NOT simply the characters, but rather the idea of place. I believe it is indeed from India (although Joseph Needham claimed to have found evidence of this system existing earlier in China, including the use of zero). But the west got it from the Arabs. And it is enormously important -- or would you care to demonstrate long division, fractions, calculus, etc. using Roman numerals?

3. Paper -- I read recently (but cannot recall where) that the Arabs learned paper-making from the Chinese. The Arab contribution was to develop a way to make cheap paper from linen (flax) or somesuch field crop; less expensive and capable of production in great quantities. And the Europeans learned this from the Muslim Arabs.

4. Printing. I think I got carried away. I don't have any source that says the Muslim Arabs introduced printing to the west, and I think they did not.

5. Glass -- again, not invented by the Muslims, but that wasn't the point -- the point is that it is something that the west "imported" from this allegedly backwards culture.

6. Algebra...on which we agree.

So I stand by 5 of my 6 claims.

At 4:04 AM, Anonymous Unimpressed said...

FFE, you are a fucking idiot. Let me repeat you are a fucking idiot. Female circumcision is practiced by Muslim, Christians and Animists in certain African regions. You knew that ofcourse, but deliberately portray it as a practice endemic to certain Muslims only. This is propaganda of the worst kind, FFE. I believe strongly that you are a fraud who panders to the most reactionary elements of the right wing extremists pretending to be a genuine seeker of "freedom".
Given the sort of shitty comments I see here, my hunch is proven right.

At 4:09 AM, Anonymous Unimpressed said...

Egypeter, Melanie Philips is a far right extremist and race baiter. The movie "obsession" was made by likud israeli extremists to promote hatred of Muslims. I think its safe to assume that you are an extremist as well.


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