Friday, November 17, 2006

Dutch Government Bans Full Length Veils

Europe is finally in the process of cleaning up forms of extremism and backwardness. Why would a woman who wants to wear a Burqa or Niqab would want to live in Europe, just because she has got an EU citizenship? Why would they insist on living their regressive culture in a western world?

My exclusive sources told me that the reason for this law is a reaction from the political side to a court decision delivered last week which upheld the right of a female muslim high school teacher who suddenly decided to wear the niqab and refused to shake hands with men after she came back from her summer holiday in Morocco. Before her holiday she didnt wear even a veil!!

I believe that this would be a good opportunity to look for the Dutch flags to burn and torch buildings. This is how Muslims in today's world express their anger or opposition. Regrettably, no one wants to speak the language or communicate the same way Muslims do. There is no surprise though. Western governments use legislations and law enforcements to reflect their peoples' desires and to run their states. No wonder the cleaning process is inevitable now!

It shocks me also to see those men who appear on the Arabic-speaking TV channels in the Middle East and claim to be Islamic Clerics with European nationalities talking with so much hatred and grudge about the countries that provided them safe haven from their native countries. Why?

THE HAGUE, Netherlands - The Dutch government said Friday it plans to draw up legislation "as soon as possible" banning full-length veils known as burqas and other clothing that covers a person's entire face in public places.

"The Cabinet finds it undesirable that face-covering clothing — including the burqa — is worn in public places for reasons of public order, security and protection of citizens," Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk said in a statement. More...


At 6:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I totally agree with the notion that my body is something that i should be proud of, and no religion should ask me to cover it in any shape or form, especially to this degree of absurdity! I am totally anti-religions trying to meddle with social, political or cultural matters- let alone giving me a dress code!.

BUT, should a person allow any such religion to control his/her personal life, the state shouldnt interfere with his personal choice- even if it was Not to choose, thats a choice as well, whether we like it or not.

The state should only handle issues of direct impact on their national security or the public order.

If this is how European governments will try to prevent Islamic fundementalism from pouring into their countries, i'll say it's a quick fix to a deep chronic syndrome. And quick solutions just dont work!

I dont think we should implement the tit-for-tat tactic here.We are not dealing with Rational opponents. We are dealing with sick people, who actually believe they're victims and aggression is only for self-defense and survival purposes! This tit-for-tat will only enhance their theory, it won't even help us in fending off terrorists, and they will get even more antagonistic. It's a vicious cycle that shortcuts can only aggravate.

At 8:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a Muslim I thank you profusely for bringing this to my attention; I wasn't aware that the billion or so of us around the world have unanimously agreed to express our anger by torching flags and buildings, it’ll definitely save the money I spend on therapy.

I'd very much appreciate it if you would continue updating us on other erratic brute forms of "Muslim" behavior as I personally get so out of touch sometimes that I catch myself thinking rational thoughts...imagine that!

At 4:25 PM, Blogger Sam said...

To a Grain of Wheat..
You seem to suggest that it is the woman's freedom of choice to wear hijab or Niqab..etc.
What if this woman wearing Niqab is a teacher in a Kindergarden -This actually happened in England - , where is the right of these young children who have no power to object to be taught by a "Ghost like creature" that will scar them for life ???

Would you feel confortable entering a guest room (bathroom)followed by a "Person" wearing a NIqab who could well be a man ???

The dangers are endless but I think I made my point clear .
Thank you

At 6:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sam said "the dangers are endless"

Well, you certainly have a point here. And that's exactly the question we'll have to address to proponents of Niqab, and it's their responsibility to come up with some security identification procedure that will make us feel safe without violating their rights-to have close to no rights in their case!.

About teaching small kids- i think a school should be entitled to impose some dress code on its teachers- but no matter what i think, topics like that should be the object of public debate.
The muslims will have a constant reminder that unlike what some of them try to propagade about us, The majority of us think rationally and make decisions based on democracy, human rights, and the rights of minorities-even when we are not particularly fond of what some minorities believe in.

This is not only the 'right' or 'good' thing to do, i think it's also the most pragmatic/practical solution to this problem. On the long run, only solutions that take time to come up with work. Like i said, quick fixes just dont work!

At 5:54 AM, Blogger Sam said...

Dear "Grain of wheat"
I am grateful for your comment
I find it rather difficult to think of a way of proving the identity of a "Person" wearing Niqab while entering a female guestroom(bathroom)-as I said before- he could be a man
is it O.K. to take the Niqab off at the door of a bathroom in a hotel for example ??
will it be compulsory to take the Niqab off during exams or interviews for employments ??

I agree with you that Schools should be entiteled to impose a dress code on teachers and pupils but Moslims in europe never accepted that, you know what happened in France and Britain inresponse to this very issue : riots , demonestrations etc.

Hijab and Niqab never been mentioned in the Quran or Hadith contrary to the popular belief and nobody wants to address this point properly .
Thanks again

At 8:26 AM, Blogger Sam said...

Sorry ;
I meant "rest room" NOT Guestroom" !

At 5:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Sam,
i never said schools should impose a dress code on students, i live in an Arab country and i know how impossible this will make life for some kids whose parents are fundamentalist muslims. But it's reasonable to ask an adult who's against the normal 'secular' dress code to not teach in a 'secular' school.( i dont think we'll be doing them any injustice!)
Besides, if this on the long run ostricizes the muslim studnets and take them out of moderate schools -into perhaps Pure Islamist schools- we won't be doing these kids a big favor. To the contrary, may be we should teach the other kids how to embrace them. (not for the same old political correctness reasons, we must mean it)

It's like the harder we try to protect ourselves by automatically shuting them out, the more danger we put our lives into. On the other hand, if we put more effort into doing the right thing, we'll be helping them And helping our communities at the same time. IT's as if the line between The 'I' and the 'Other' is not as clear as we instinctively think.

I was thinking of an identification process that doesnt make u take off ur Hijab, one that's present whenever u're entering a public building. This sends a message that it's not that we hate non-conformity . We actually took the extra mile to find a way to make u feel comfortable in ur skin of choice!

I'd also like to add that We should be the ones who draw the line. Some muslims will find everything we say or do offensive! But if we draw a clear line, find a common ground that respect their lifestyles without endangering our lives, we'll win all rational people to our side.

Fundamentalists gain most of their followers by first pointing to our petty mistakes and decieving them into thinking that their very survival needs taking extreme measures- extreme ideologies, extreme lifestyles and of course extreme suicidal actions- which are just the tip of the iceberg!

We dont want our sons and daughters to think 20, or 30 years from now that we handled this situation emotionally or defensively.

and thanks for being so nice hehe :) (i can be weird)

At 2:24 PM, Blogger Sam said...

My dear "a grain of wheat"
يا حبة الحنطة !
How could the minority "Ostricizes" the majority ??
How could the minority embraces the majority ??

Do you know that 70 - 80 % of women in Egypt are wearing Hijab and/or/Niqab, and that same applies to children ??

Women and children wearing Hijab and Niqab are brain-washed to believe that those who don't wear it are "Safirat" , not true moslims breaking Allah's orders , "Infidals" , "Nasarah" , just a bit short of calling them whores...I am afraid this is the message they are getting from their fundamentalist parents,husbands and brothers and also from the mosque .
what can we do to reverse this idea and how ??
Any woman in Egypt who is not wearing Hijab is clearly identified as either a "bad moslim" or an "Infidal Nasraniah", both are now being ostricized and scorned in the Egyptian society .

Thosr wearing Hijab and Niqab MUST recognise that the others are not filth or dirt but normal humanbeings and that "Allah" loves them and accept them just as much .

Going back to Wester Countries , Why should a country like Britain with 60 million population , only ond and a half million of them are moslims should accept that a few hundreds or even few thousands moslim women force their Niqab on their place of work as teachers in schools ,Nurses in Hospitals or worse still as air hostesses ? or else will be branded as "Enemies of Islam"...
Ya "Grain" !..., You did not tell me how are we going to stop crimes commited by "Men wearing Niqab"
My best wishes and regards !

At 2:37 PM, Anonymous Marijka said...

From one side I am against any oppresion what regards clothes, veils, crosses, shoes, etc. It si a question of religion and if a person desires to be like this, no problem. From the other side if I come to Iran or Saudi Arabia I should wear hijab or veil if I wish or I do not wish, because the laws in that countries require this. What is more correct? Frankly I can't answer unambiguously....

At 10:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh c'omon now sam, i didnt pretend to have all the answers, and am not implying that wotever happens in the arab world is correct, quite the contrary. I'm just pointing out wot i think to be the right course of action against fundementalism, that's all.. And i dont think it will be give them a taste of their own medicine. Like i said before this strategy only works when u're up against a rational entity that tries to minimize its losses.

Let's not digress into the cruelty in the arab world, 2 wrongs dont make a right; we can't use their wrong doings to justify doing something that's against our own wisdom and rationality. Looking at wot they do and how they think blurs our vision from thinking as clearly as we otherwise would have.

Wot i suggested in regard to securing buildings was to come up with something, an electronic finger print procedure or something like that, am not an expert. But am sure we can come up with something. We always do!

How could the minority "Ostricizes" the majority ??
How could the minority embraces the majority ?? ----- you got it in reverse. i was saying the young muslims in the west will feel ostricized, the western community should embrace this youth.

At 3:45 AM, Anonymous Unimpressed said...

Sounds like blatant discrimination to me. Who the are you people to tell a woman what to wear. If she wants to wear a niqab or burkha or whatever, its her business, not yours. Fuck off and quit being assholes.


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