Friday, April 14, 2006

Good Friday Attacks on Coptic Churches in Alexandria

Sectarian Violence one more time in Alexandria

Worshippers at three Christian churches came under attack from knife-wielding assailants during Mass Friday. Police said one worshipper was killed and more than a dozen wounded in the simultaneous attacks in the northern city of Alexandria.

The killed victim was indentified as Naser Atta Gergis. Witnesses on said on TV stabbers were running after worshippers, among them were children who were protected by their parents. Egyptian Christians complained that the security's first reaction was so neutral and that it did not interfer for protection.

News reports said that more churches were targetted, however the police foiled the organized timely attackes on the churches.

Egyptian TV reporterd that the Governor of Alexandria said one of the attackers was an ex-police officer who is mentally disturbed. This is so repulsive. The government of Egypt is the government of excuses. Any incident that happens in Egypt and denied any logical or objective explanation is blamed on mentally-disturbed people...

Hundreds of Christians gathered in angry protest outside the Coptic Christian churches, and witnesses said clashes erupted between Christians and Muslims.

Initial police reports said a total of 17 people were injured: 10 at the Saints Church in downtown Alexandria and three at the nearby Mar Girgis Church. A third attacker wounded four worshippers at a church in Abu Qir, a few miles to the east.

One worshipper was killed and at least two others were in serious condition, a police official said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the press.

The attack comes on what is Good Friday to many of the world's Christians. However, Egypt's Coptic Christians, and other followers of the Greek Orthodox church, celebrate the holiday a week later.

When I hear about simultaneous string of attacks on civilians in Iraq by timely suicide attacks, we call it terrorism. These string of attacks in Alexandria on worshippers, I have no other description for it but terrorism, terrorizing innocent citiznes. It is shocking for me, because when I read local media and I hear Islamic and non-Islamic figures the only thing they say "we want to show the tolerant face of Islam". Are these attacks what they mean by Islam's tolerance?

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At 8:45 AM, Anonymous Alb Sayed said...

I highly doubt the attackers represent Islam in any way shape or form. Not even Islam within Egypt. How many of your Muslim friends would agree, encourage, defend or even attempt to justify these attacks?

My guess is none.

There is discrimination, yes, and there is an overwhelming myth that it doesn't exist, yes. And are there those in Egypt who support these types of attacks, yes. But are they the majority, absolutely not. And do they represent Islam in any way, absolutely not.

Someone could run down the street slapping people and yelling "Freedom for Egyptians!!", does that mean he/she represents you?

At 9:49 AM, Blogger Prup (aka Jim Benton) said...

Alb Sayed: I was arguing the same way -- as a non-Muslim, as an atheist who is also a proud liberal who believes in freedom both from and of religion. "This was not Islam" I insisted, through the Indonesian beheadings, through the cartoon riots. But I am having second thoughts.
It is now almost every day -- and I read sites like BP, FFE, SM, and RP, not the LGF or FaithFreedom sites -- that I see a new example of Muslims attacking people, supposedly in the name of Allah, I see governments of Muslim countries acting against civil liberties, I see horrible statements from high ranking Muslim clerics. I am beginning to wonder if, at worst, it is you that are misreading Islam, at best that there is something inherent in Islam that causes a certain number of Muslims -- and not a miniscule percentage -- to go crazy and act this way. And certainly there are plenty of people like the two of you that speak out in the blogosphere. But where are the demonstrations -- peaceful ones -- that are shouting "This IS NOT Islam." Where are the public demonstrations condemning actions like this.

I challenge both of you. The Copts celebrate Good Friday and Easter next week. Why don't you get a group of your friends together, make suitable signs, and create a ring around the churches, protecting the worshippers from the possibility of attacks. Carry signs saying "Islam is peace." "Islam is tolerance.' "We condemn attacks on Christians in the name of Islam."
See if you CAN get people to be willing to say these things in public, to act on your interpretation of Islam, to actually condemn, publicly, other Muslims (or people who claim to be so.)
I deeply hope you can do just this. And I hope that I am proven wrong by this sort of action.

(And I do not travel and don't have a passport, but if I did, and you did this, I would be standing next to you, willing to make the same statement, and sharing the risks. But I can't prove that, sadly. Fortunetaly, I am in Brooklyn, where all groups seem to be able to live together.)

At 10:06 AM, Blogger Egypeter said...

Thanks FFE for posting.

My heart breaks every single damn time I hear about situations like this. Unfortunately, it's more and more common.

Alb Sayed:

With all due respect, it seems like you are trying to play down what is happening. I don't give a shit if these people "don't represent Islam." What does that mean exactly?? Is that going to give solace to the victicm's families? I can also guarantee you they were shouting, "allahu akbar" when they stormed the churches!

I'm sure the 5000 strong mob outside of Saint George Church in Oct did "not represent Islam" either.

The rioters who targeted a church near Luxor a couple of months ago probably "didn't represent Islam" either.

None of these people "represent Islam" but I bet if you ask them they will say that THEY DO represent Islam.

You see, it doesn't matter if these types are the majority or not. Are 100% of Egypt's Muslims fanatical terrorists? No, of course not. But is there a large amount of fundamentalists in Egypt and are their numbers growing? ABSOLUTELY!

Instead of trying to figure out how to solve this enormous problem Egyptians seem to be concerned whether or not these criminals are 30%, 50% or 90%. Who the HELL cares? It doesn't matter the exact percentage of TERRORISTS running around Egypt is. The fact of the matter is is that there are many of them and they commit violent crimes without the fear of prosecution or justice. And this is EXACTLY why the cycle of violence goes on and on...because many turn a blind eye when this kind of shit happens to Christians in Egypt.

That's a fact.


At 10:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

alb sayed : of course the majority of people support that since that they hear all time from their fanatic sheiks that they r el kafara
dont lie to urself baby

At 10:11 AM, Blogger Egypeter said...

Well said Prup!

I hope and pray for the day fellow good muslims will stand next to their Coptic brothers in the face of violence and say "enough is enough"

The Christians of Egypt need their fellow Muslim's support if things are ever going to get better.

At 10:22 AM, Blogger Egypeter said...

Alb sayed:

With all due respect, again. Take a look at Sandmonkey's post about this incident.

Now, why can't MORE Egyptians see it through his, BP's and FFE's eyes/heart???

At 10:28 AM, Blogger Mo'men said...

There's a difference between muslims and islam , pretty much as there's a diference between christians and christianity, point me out a perfect muslim/christian/jew? Actions of an individual reflects his own ways of thinking and charater rather than reflecting a concept/relegin/believe. I'll quote a a verse from a song by Roger Waters summing up my point:

You don't have to be a Jew
To disapprove my murder
Tears burn my eyes
Moslem or Christian Mullah or Pope
Preachers or poet who was it wrote
Give any one species too much rope
And they'll fuck it up

Too much rope - Amused to death (1992)

At 10:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am back to see this bad news. The authorities, for once, should strike hard on those behind this act.
Egyptian in Germany

At 12:31 PM, Blogger Egypeter said...

Pictures say a million words.

At 1:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO All Moslim Apologists :
"it is nothing to do with Islam"
"Moslims do not represent Islam"
+ Is it the Wahabi Islam that puts you in jail for possessing a Bible in Saudi Arabia ?
+ Is it the Islam of Ibn-Taymiya ,Said Qutb and Abu Al-Ala'Al-Mawdoudi that preaches hate and killing of all Non-Moslims ??
+ Is it the Islam of Zawahiry,Zarqawy or Bin Ladin ??
+ Is it the Islam that says:"There shall be no compulsion in religion - 2:256 (Mansoukha=Abrogated)
+ Is it the Islam that says:
-"Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them and seize them,and beleager them,and lie in wait for them " 9:5
-"against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power,including steeds of war, to strike T E R R O R into the hearts of the enemies of Allah and your enemies" 8:60
- O Apostle ! Rouse the Believers to the fight !" 8:65
- O ye who believe ! Truly the Pagans are Unclean !" 9:28
- "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day,nor hold that forbidden by Allah and his APOSTLE,nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth,even if they are of the People of the Book,until they pay the JIZIA with willing SUBMISSION,and feel themselves SUBDUED" 9:29
( JIZIA=is a Poll Tax levied from those who refuse to adopt Islam paid to Moslims and followed by a slap on the back of the neck to fulfill the order of the Quran to make them feel SUBDUED - Makhtoum ala Qafah - This was stopped in Egypt by the Albanian Ruller Mohammad Ali about 200 years ago ).
I therfore do NOT blame Moslims , I blame Allah ! .


At 3:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unless the good hearted people of Egypt start speak up and defend their country men and women from attacks like this and speak up of the injustice that imposed on the Christen minority in Egypt this attacks will continue and the forces of darkness will get stronger, the Morshed el 3am lel e7wan el moslemen said “Toz fe masr we fe abo masr” that should ring the biggest bell in the heart and mind of the true Egyptian to realize that these forces are not Egyptian and they here to destroy Egypt and bring it back to the dark.

At 4:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If a Palestinian gets stabbed by a jew, riots erupt in all of the arab world... If a Christian Egyptian gets stabbed by a Moslem...Well... Nothing happens.

At 8:57 PM, Blogger Sara said...

muslims didn't do that violence act...

if you read the news said that main leaders in the brotherhood were arrested ...and later the brotherhood said they are gainst the church attacks...

my point of view is that the government are using the copts to eleminate the brother hood after they had done from al ghad and al wafd....

copts were the most people against the brother if an act like what happened today occured..and put the brotherhood infront of the media...
you will see what will happen to the brother hood later...
BTW...i'm not with the brotherhood...but it is weired to see their news always beside churches attacks and before copts feasts!!!!!!

that is why i see that the government is digging a trench for the brotherhood...
what i wish that both the government and the brotherhood to fall in that hole....

At 11:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Sara,
What the hell are you talking about?
It is the same fucking Jihad Again

Those barbarians do not know how to live like humans; the bloody Islamic culture is their blood.
And again it is not the Islam!!!!
Oh sorry I forgot that Islam is the religion of peace!!!!

At 11:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a great idea,
How about creating what we can call Islamic terrorism encyclopedia
and all of us participate so that we can prove to Sara that how peaceful the Islam is.

But the only problem is that she will not have time to finish reading it tell, even if she lives for 100 years, because I'm sure that those same peaceful Muslims will work very hard to keep our encyclopedia up to date!!!!

At 11:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They were 4 assailants, so Allah is preparing 4*70 women for them in heaven

Good deal, is not it?

At 3:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Sara !
You are absolutely right !
Moslims did not do it !
Allah did it according to the Quran : Surat Al-Anfal 8:12-17 :
" I will instil T E R R O R into the hearts of the UNBELIEVERS:
Smite ye above their necks and Smite all their finger-tips off is not ye who Slew them ; it was ALLAH "
You see Sara !
Allah is the TERRORIST
Moslims are the Victims of this very strange ALLAH and his Quran !
ALLAH authored the best "Manual of Terrorism" and called it "The Quran "
Yours Sincerely ,

At 3:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Choose between; barbarism and humanism; islamism and secularism...

Democracy will win, and wipe out religious evils - believe you me... its the goal of democracy; to wipe out hindrance towards the free individual and the free society - even if it means war!

At 3:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a greater idea for you Anonymous

Let’s destroy all Muslims and burn them all, an eye for an aye, right?

If you think people living from Morocco to Iran are the devils themselves, why don't u protest in your country calling for an act of war towards those barbarians?

You have established that Islam is the religion of violence and destruction, very well... if you are so wit in your analysis of Islam, what do u propose besides making funny comments and offensive remarks? Try to stick to objectivity for a change.

At 3:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see no protest from muslims now...

Muslims, and their prophet, surely carries no honour!

At 3:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anon, 4:17.

No, we must de-brainwash the followers of the biggest hoax in history: this religion carries evil - face it!

At 3:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good luck in de-brainwashing !!
this is hillarious

who's "we"? forces of light???

At 3:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to Anonymous 4:17 AM :
No body wants to destroy and burn Moslims as you claimed sarcasticaly!
Destruction and Burning is the ideology of the Religion of Islam alone alone alone.
No other religion in the world orders the killing of those who do not believe in it except Islam and its Allah, Moslims are mere Victims of Islam .
But do not despair ! Islam has a Built-in self-destruct device !
Look at all Moslim Countries that applies the Islamic Sharia Law ; They are backward and running further backwards and backwards by the minute .
The "Infidal" West is feeding 90% of the Moslims of the world .
Millions of Moslims would die if the Western Infidals stop supplying them with food,drinking water,medicines,tents and shelters even the Birds flu vaccines !
Do you remember the Polio Vaccine made by the infidals from Pigs Blood ?? , it saved the lives of millions of moslim children from definite death.even the nice Computer that you are using to write your Blog is invented for you by the very same infidals that your Allah is ordering you to Sley !
Please Please Do NOT Sley them , They Love You and are Praying for you !
God Bless

At 4:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


I see your analysis , i don't see your conclusion, weak?

another thing: when you drive your fancy car to get from point A to point B, think about how this luxury is available to you

it's a 2 way benifit, if you give muslims food and medeicne , they give you gas .. so don't preach about who gave what to whom.

At 4:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anon 5:10 Am :
Gas is Purchased to build the Economy of Gulf States , The Gas Dollars gets them rich !
The remainings of the Moslims of the world ( over 90% ) are Living on Charity by The Infidal west ( Remember : C H A R I T Y ), They will die of Hunger otherwise , God Forbid .

At 4:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you Infidal west , I don't know what i could have done without you. God bless you for feeding me.

Again, What's your point? you have the upper hand? you are the good guy here? are you justifying to me or to yourself ? whatever get's you through the night

At 9:40 PM, Blogger Sara said...

thank you all for your comments which shows how much hateful feelings that all of you have against muslims and islam....

i know well the muslim who died in that conflict....he died stabbed from a christian who was forcing muslim girl to take off her veil...
that muslim died because he was saving a muslim girl from coptic harrasment.....

waw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!copts can kill!!!!!
copts harassing muslim!!!!

do you know why all of you didn't heard the story of the died muslim man?????????

because forces of security banned the publish of the details of his death......WHY???

can you imagine the muslims feelings when they know that a muslim man died while he was saving a muslim girl from a coptic man???????

the main difference here that the muslim man family are true good people although they are powerful family but they didn't use that mob and rabble way of coptics for a died man.....
and the funny thing here that those mob. annoying and rabble voices of coptics were dumbed and shut up in the accedient of the coptic who attacked a cathederal in kena and he was insulting and hitting the bishop and the prayers!!!!!!!

The news link about the Christian who attack the church

waw!!!!!your relegion is so peace and talks about love and peace!!!!!

stop annoying us with your slogans.....face the reality that you also have extrimist who can kill and attack even your churchs like that coptic in kena.....

look what your churchs do to let siko and coptics attack it?????

At 8:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...





At 11:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


you are not Sick

Only people who are not capable of responding in an objective and desent manner ARE !!!!

At 3:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To anon. 12:50 PM
Can't you see at all ??
There are 30 responses !
please feel free serf !
P.S.: Read slowly so you can understand , then you can translate to Sara

At 7:40 AM, Blogger all peace lover said...

peoble like you make the war start
sara is logistic in all what she says
see how many time moslims and christine die togther for the same cause
we only want to start the war so evry one can gain his own benifets
thanks sara
i agree with you 100 %


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